Will Easy Dcc Work With the Esu Drivehold Feature
Hi,
I have been acquiring an increasing number of Loksound equipped locos. I model in N scale, so most of my sound decoders are Select Micro versions. My question is this, I usually pair a sound equipped loco with a non- sound equipped loco. Most of my silent decoders are Digitrax products. Speed matching has been fairly easy, but I loose the ability to use the Drive Hold function. I've considered replacing some of my digitrax decoders with LokPilot 54650 V4.0 Micro Direct decoders. Would this LokPilot support Drive Hold? I've searched the ESU website but haven't found an answer.
Thanks,
Jim
Yes, it works (almost) perfectly with the Select Micro. The only "issue" is that it does not support Independent Brake (the new LokPilot 5s will). For the LokPilot v4, just make sure it has up-to-date firmware (via LokProgrammer) that supports the Full Thottle features
Rick Brodzinsky
The short answer is yes. LokPilot V4.0 supports "full throttle".
Bill Hanley
Raleigh, NC
William Hanley
wmhanley@...
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From: Jim Younkins <jcyounkins@...>
To: Loksound <Loksound@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 02:17 PM
Subject: [Loksound] Using LocPilot with Loksound
Hi,
I have been acquiring an increasing number of Loksound equipped locos. I model in N scale, so most of my sound decoders are Select Micro versions. My question is this, I usually pair a sound equipped loco with a non- sound equipped loco. Most of my silent decoders are Digitrax products. Speed matching has been fairly easy, but I loose the ability to use the Drive Hold function. I've considered replacing some of my digitrax decoders with LokPilot 54650 V4.0 Micro Direct decoders. Would this LokPilot support Drive Hold? I've searched the ESU website but haven't found an answer.
Thanks,
Jim
Jim:
Yes as others have said. With one warning, not a show stopper but something to be aware of.
Lok like other sound decoders have a feature where when the engine is first started you get the delay for the start sequence the Pilot can emulate that. The two decoders then behave differently, the LokSound is happy to not delay when reversing but the Pilot does the delay again on the reverse. The delays can be turn off to eliminate this "fighting."
This is on a set that I did about a year ago and I haven't done another set recently, maybe fixed?
Jim Albanowski
Jim,
On 12 May 2020, at 4:17 AM, Jim Younkins <jcyounkins@...> wrote:I have been acquiring an increasing number of Loksound equipped locos. I model in N scale, so most of my sound decoders are Select Micro versions.
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I've considered replacing some of my digitrax decoders with LokPilot 54650 V4.0 Micro Direct decoders. Would this LokPilot support Drive Hold?
One problem is that both the Select and the LokPilot V4 are obsolete.
The LokPilot 5 DCC and the Select won't play so well together. The momentum multipliers differ.
- Most non-ESU decoders use the NMRA-specified momentum multiplier of 0.896.
- The V4 decoders use a momentum multiplier of 0.25.
- The version 5 DCC decoders use the NMRA-specified momentum multiplier of 0.896.
- The version 5 multi-protocol decoders use a momentum multiplier of 0.25.
Dave in Australia
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
They did change the form factor! The LP 5 Micros are now smaller!
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On 5/12/2020 8:36 AM, Jim Younkins wrote:
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.
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Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
Honestly, my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board, eliminating the Next18 connector and daughter board. For N-scale, the new design is becoming a major show stopper on older model locos.
Rick Brodzinsky
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On 5/12/2020 9:52 AM, Mike Garber via groups.io wrote:
Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
Mike,
On 13 May 2020, at 2:52 AM, Mike Garber via groups.io <mgarber819@...> wrote:Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.
The Select line is dead. No benefit to reintroducing it.
Dave in Australia
phil_dunlop2002
Rick:
Right out of the dealer price list:
58823 LokSound 5 micro DCC open wire ends «Generic» Ready for Programming $
I've sold a fair number of them.
p
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On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:57 AM Rick Brodzinsky <jacalar@...> wrote:
Honestly, my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board, eliminating the Next18 connector and daughter board. For N-scale, the new design is becoming a major show stopper on older model locos.
Rick Brodzinsky
On 5/12/2020 9:52 AM, Mike Garber via groups.io wrote:
Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
Phil - no, not what I was asking for at all. I use the 58823 all the time, but it still has a Next18 connector on the decoder, and the wires are attached to a daughter board, which sits up very high above the decoder (in N-scale terms). This is a 58823 in an Intermountain F7, with the frame over the motor already milled out by 1mm. Notice how high this decoder still sits.
Let's get those wires (or even just solder pads) DIRECTLY ON THE DECODER!
Rick
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On 5/12/2020 11:35 AM, phil_dunlop2002 wrote:
Rick:
Right out of the dealer price list:
58823 LokSound 5 micro DCC open wire ends «Generic» Ready for Programming $
I've sold a fair number of them.
p
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:57 AM Rick Brodzinsky <jacalar@...> wrote:
Honestly, my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board, eliminating the Next18 connector and daughter board. For N-scale, the new design is becoming a major show stopper on older model locos.
Rick Brodzinsky
On 5/12/2020 9:52 AM, Mike Garber via groups.io wrote:
Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
phil_dunlop2002
I guess we are not communicating. The 58823 DECODER has a set of wires, no connector, solder each wire end where ever you want it.
| 58823 | LokSound 5 micro DCC "blank decoder", single wires, gauge: N, TT, H0 |
The above is from the ESU website. Previous was from the dealer price list. I have held it in my pinkies. Just a decoder with wires. That sounds like what you are wishing for. (".....my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board...")
p
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On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:01 PM Rick Brodzinsky <jacalar@...> wrote:
Phil - no, not what I was asking for at all. I use the 58823 all the time, but it still has a Next18 connector on the decoder, and the wires are attached to a daughter board, which sits up very high above the decoder (in N-scale terms). This is a 58823 in an Intermountain F7, with the frame over the motor already milled out by 1mm. Notice how high this decoder still sits.
Let's get those wires (or even just solder pads) DIRECTLY ON THE DECODER!
Rick
On 5/12/2020 11:35 AM, phil_dunlop2002 wrote:
Rick:
Right out of the dealer price list:
58823 LokSound 5 micro DCC open wire ends «Generic» Ready for Programming $
I've sold a fair number of them.
p
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:57 AM Rick Brodzinsky <jacalar@...> wrote:
Honestly, my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board, eliminating the Next18 connector and daughter board. For N-scale, the new design is becoming a major show stopper on older model locos.
Rick Brodzinsky
On 5/12/2020 9:52 AM, Mike Garber via groups.io wrote:
Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
Craig Zeni
Phil, the interface with the outside world is indeed wires. But there is still a male Next18 plug on the decoder; it plugs into a board that has a female Next18 socket with the wires...compared to the old V4 Micro that had wires direct to the decoder. If my memory serves, that Next18plug/socket thing adds about a 1-1.5mm to the thickness of the decoder. And in N scale that could be enough to cause headaches. I did an HO scale brass 44 tonner where another half millimeter would have stopped me cold.
Craig Zeni
Cary NC
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On May 12, 2020, at 4:21 PM, phil_dunlop2002 wrote:
I guess we are not communicating. The 58823 DECODER has a set of wires, no connector, solder each wire end where ever you want it.58823 LokSound 5 micro DCC "blank decoder", single wires, gauge: N, TT, H0
The above is from the ESU website. Previous was from the dealer price list. I have held it in my pinkies. Just a decoder with wires. That sounds like what you are wishing for. (".....my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board...")p
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:01 PM Rick Brodzinsky <jacalar@...> wrote:
Phil - no, not what I was asking for at all. I use the 58823 all the time, but it still has a Next18 connector on the decoder, and the wires are attached to a daughter board, which sits up very high above the decoder (in N-scale terms). This is a 58823 in an Intermountain F7, with the frame over the motor already milled out by 1mm. Notice how high this decoder still sits.Let's get those wires (or even just solder pads) DIRECTLY ON THE DECODER!
Rick
<hkglijmandnmolah.jpg>On 5/12/2020 11:35 AM, phil_dunlop2002 wrote:
Rick:Right out of the dealer price list:
58823 LokSound 5 micro DCC open wire ends «Generic» Ready for Programming $I've sold a fair number of them.
p
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:57 AM Rick Brodzinsky <jacalar@...> wrote:
Honestly, my biggest wish would be for an LS 5 Micro (DCC or multi) with wires (or solder pads) directly on the board, eliminating the Next18 connector and daughter board. For N-scale, the new design is becoming a major show stopper on older model locos.Rick Brodzinsky
On 5/12/2020 9:52 AM, Mike Garber via groups.io wrote:Reintroducing the select line would be welcomed by many modelers Jim. Think Economie but way better. Best, mike-g.Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.comOn Tuesday, May 12, 2020, Jim Younkins <jcyounkins@...> wrote:
Thanks guys,
I'll get a couple of LokPilots and tinker to see if I can get them to work together. From what you've said, it should be possible.
As an N scale modeler I sure hope that ESU doesn't change the form factor when they up-date the LokPilot. One would also hope that ESU up-dates to a newer version of the Select at the same time.
Thanks again,
Jim
Here is 58223 from the side:
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Source: https://groups.io/g/Loksound/topic/74142176?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate/sticky,,,20,2,100,74142176
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